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my name is julie carver

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i am a paranormal

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investigator my name is debbie miller

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and i am a paranormal investigator

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i started out in the field of paranormal

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investigation

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when i got reacquainted with debbie at a

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high school reunion

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we kind of

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talked and hey what are you doing and

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i'm doing this and she mentioned that

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she was into the

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paranormal and was in a group and i said

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that's fantastic

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uh we got together on a couple of

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different things that her group had

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going

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and i loved it and she said you know

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i've been thinking about starting my own

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group how would you feel about

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you know doing this with me and i said i

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would love it and that's how i got

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started and i've had experiences through

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my life

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uh growing up as a small child and and

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having experiences and and at that time

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i really didn't

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think much about it it wasn't until i

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got older and i started to question what

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exactly

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was what's going on here so

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when i got to w i kind of it opened my

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eyes to

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to

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what my experiences were so that's how i

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got started

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truly by coincidence

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i

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but

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i didn't know then what i was talking to

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were people that weren't there

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and as i got older i kind of lost that

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ability and

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things would happen like premonition

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dreams and things would happen and as

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this group was talking and talking and

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how they may have made communications

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and had evps i began

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thinking

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yeah i want to do this i want to go on

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an investigation

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and so that was when we did the 100 year

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old farmhouse that that i suggested that

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we do

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because they didn't have anything that

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they wanted to investigate we wanted to

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see if you know we clicked because

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clicking in a team is important

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and so um i was with that group for

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about

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four months and did a few investigations

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and that was 100 year old farmhouse in

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the spook house and

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jule and i were talking and and

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that's how we ended up together

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our fathers knew each other

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and as we became friends our children

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became friends especially my dog my her

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daughter and my son

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these two are like pew peas in a pod and

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we know we look around and go okay

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where's jesse and shayna

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we we know they're up to something and

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we've got to go find them yeah so but we

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all work together and they're very good

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investigators they work well together

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and and i think that is makes us a good

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team

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is that since we've known each other for

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so long we know

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how they eat i mean it we know how we

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think we play off each other yes yeah we

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definitely and and the kids have really

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i mean i call them kids they're yeah 25

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26. yeah but they they match really well

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mm-hmm they do so we make a good team

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yeah and and you know people think

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paranormal investigating is like you see

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on tv

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it's not it's like watching paint peel

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off a wall

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you know you can sit there for four

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hours and get absolutely nothing and

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what do you do in those four hours you

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sit around and you yak and you talk and

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you talk about everything which is

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causing a bonding between all of us

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and what that that's bonding and it's

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the funniest thing that's when you pick

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up the best parents yes it is voices and

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evps is when you're ignoring them they

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do not like to be ignored

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and but

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you know

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that's kind of how our story is yeah i

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think one of our greatest experiences

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that we as a team her and i experienced

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together we had a very dear friend

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that was in hospice and he was he was

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dying

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and i was in the room and with a bunch

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of other people

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and we were kind of

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we knew jamie could hear us and so we

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were just kind of joking around and i'd

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say you know

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that would be something jamie would do

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this was the last words he ever spoke

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was he laughed and said yeah that'd be

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me

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and then shortly after that it was like

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a split second and i go

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i think he's gone you guys yeah and he

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was gone

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and so you know everybody said their

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goodbyes and we were sitting in the

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break area and julia and i there was

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other people around and we were sitting

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at a table talking

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well we were we were just saying you

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know we're glad that jamie went peaceful

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but i said you know i wouldn't put it

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past him to try to follow us and mess

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with us and

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at that moment we heard this yeah

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right between us like right in both of

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our ears and we looked at each other

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i go down

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that would be totally something he would

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do he would do it and he he let us know

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hey i can hear you i'm i'm listening

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but it was just

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you know it's an emotional thing anyways

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but to hear that

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yeah between the two of us and we look

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at each other

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we both heard it

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and that we don't hear things together

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like that no so it was quite an

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experience now i hear things but

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together we heard this yeah i don't

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normally hear things like she does but

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for us to hear that together was

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that was kind of a validation yeah it

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was there's something

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and that was really personal because

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this was not an investigation this was a

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personal moment

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it was very typical of

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jamie yep so yeah

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when we start out on an investigation

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everybody has their little quirks that

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they have to do julie and i

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quirk is we have to buy cigars

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it's just our lucky charm thing and we

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get the sometimes we get the flavored

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grape cayenne one time we've got those

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remember that big huge one that we

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bought about sick to death by the time

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we finished that one

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but we we've smoked a cigar

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and uh we kind of just think we're kind

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of cool and but that's how we get

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started we load up our equipment and as

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soon as we're on the road we light up

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that cigar and that's like our good luck

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charm that this is going to be in a good

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investigation so that's one of the

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things that we do and yeah and then when

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we get to the location we we always like

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to arrive

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during daylight so that we can see what

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and know the surroundings and then we'd

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kind of do a perimeter check uh with our

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emf equipment and see what kind of

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what kind of electrical equipment might

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be around where we might mistake it for

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a paranormal hit or you know

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some type of

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uh paranormal activity when really it's

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just an electrical box you may not see

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that at night or where some maybe

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they've just dug and laid new cables or

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something or

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where you might see uh

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you might happen to

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see car lights going by we check where

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the roads are uh because a lot of times

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people think when they see shadow

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figures

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they're actually seeing their own shadow

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when a car passes exactly and

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that's very common so that we when we go

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inside the house we look for things like

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emf readings we check we do the

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perimeter of the house we do an

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interview of the person what's your

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experience how does it affect you how

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can we help you

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type of thing and then we go into our we

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get out our equipment and

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a lot of times

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we prefer to have

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the room to ourself

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the house

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most cases they like to talk to the

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people they're familiar with so a lot of

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times we do the investigation with the

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client in the room

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and there are times too when the client

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says i don't i don't want to be here you

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guys lock up when you leave you know and

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and another one of our questions is what

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are you wanting from this

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you know do you want this thing gone

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are you are you just wanting validation

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of hey

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things are moving i want to know that

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i'm not crazy so that you know we go

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through a whole interview process of you

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know what they're expecting out of this

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and and how we can

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try to help them with this and then we

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always

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kind of regroup before we start the

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investigation and we usually try to say

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a prayer

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uh for protection

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and that's just something that

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that we just do

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uh and ask you for guidance right and

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and a lot of times when we do kind of

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flipping forward a little bit

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you get a client and they've got so much

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anxiety about it about what they're

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experiencing and it's it's hard to tell

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somebody i'm sorry we just didn't find

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anything

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and then other times you know

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we can see the anxiety on their face and

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and they they want us to find something

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so bad

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and when we do

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we have to say well we have to go

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through the evidence

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and we'll get back with you in a week

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because it's going to take us that long

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sometimes people don't want to wait a

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week so you have to have some equipment

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that's real time so they they can get

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some of that validation

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and

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you may sit around for

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four hours and get absolutely nothing

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and it honest it's it's frustrating you

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get so frustrated because

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you want to help that person so badly

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and you don't want to disappoint them

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but

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you know it's either it's going to

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happen or it's not you can't force it

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we may have to come back three or four

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times before we get something that that

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that can validate sometimes we can't get

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anything at all but

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you have to be patient and you have to

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sit there and

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and there's ways to keep yourself busy

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you know

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um most of the time we just kind of joke

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around or try to ease the client talk to

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the client try to get them you know

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maybe we missed something in the initial

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interview and

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and then somebody will say oh yeah i

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remember i did that and then we'll go to

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that particular room so you know you

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just kind of have to every

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situation is different from the other no

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investigation is done exactly the same

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it's just not done that way you know and

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my way of thinking is

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you know i think the spirits are

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watching us

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and if someone's coming into my home and

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i don't know who they are and they're

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asking me all these questions i might

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just hold back a little bit and not

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you know

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start answering their questions right

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off i feel sometimes that they're

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observing us

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just as much as we're

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wanting them to communicate and

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sometimes i feel that

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maybe that first visit

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they're just watching maybe the second

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visit it's like oh okay i remember them

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they're not they're not here to

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you know harm us or you know make

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outrageous requests from us too

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house

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exactly we were the second demonel

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house's house is located in st louis

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right next to the limp mansion

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and they had had a paranormal team in

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there and they after this experience

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they said we are never allowing any

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paranormal team in this in this house

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ever again because whatever these

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paranormal investigators were doing

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dishes were being thrown at her own home

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private residence and her husband called

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and said what are you doing there

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you know things are being thrown around

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and after that she said no more

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investigating well we knew a friend that

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knew her and

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we went in and

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i'm telling you my husband calls you

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guys you're out of here out of here said

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we don't provoke this that's not how we

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do it

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we had the most amazing investigation

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with

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fantabulous

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yeah i mean we had wonderful evidence so

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you know i think it's a lot how you

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approach it and we try to respect

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the client as well as the spirits yeah

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like their property i mean some of these

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antique houses you go into there they're

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rare 150 year old

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antique things that take your shoes off

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you know and it's like you want to be

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respectful of those things

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we're all seeking answers and i think a

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lot of people have forgotten what this

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is really about and this really affects

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people's lives

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their everyday lives people live in

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houses

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that need validation

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okay i'm not crazy this is really

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happening to me it's not about

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investigating sometimes it's about the

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clients themselves and in a lot of those

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cases it's like i don't really want them

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gone

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i just want to know that i'm not crazy

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and you know we can co-exist and we're

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just fine as long as i know

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i'm not losing my mind

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and that's

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they're good to go

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i think one thing i would like for

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people to understand

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uh and and kind of take with them is

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believe what you see

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believe what you hear

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uh

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people are going to tell you that

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things don't exist i mean

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and that's their prerogative but

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have faith in yourself and have faith

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that what you see you are probably

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seeing and what you hear

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and what you feel you are

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you are entitled to that and you are

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probably feeling that yep i totally

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agree with what you say and you're not